B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

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B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby scrapper » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:54 pm

Don’t want anyone to feel compelled to reply to my meanderings. I am in research mode and such a novice I probably am irritating.

I lost the link but saw a mid 60s B2B for sale, Hood Mtn Oregon I think. The claim was the owner had been ill and it had just sat in a garage for 10 yrs. Looks nice. It was in a accident, , student & instructor -FFA called the cause inexperience.

What are the risks in of a ship that sat for 10 yrs? Has anyone gone to see this ship?

What is a safe way to ship a ship across the country? Safe meaning being sure its fragility gets respected.

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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby Ron Spiker » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:17 pm

scrapper wrote:What is a safe way to ship a ship across the country? Safe meaning being sure its fragility gets respected.


Trailer it back or make a nice cross country ferry flight. Some on the forum have quite a bit of experience with that. :D

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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby 9121u » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:29 pm

In most cases these are the best kind to buy. if it can be bought for the right price. when you purchase any aircraft. it needs gone threw any way just ask a lot of questions about every thing if it's far away get a copy of logs and a close up video talk to ho ever was last mech Sighn off. then discuss it with your mech go from there. for your options Theres is a lot of experienced aircraft shippers out there you can call for your needs.
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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby scrapper » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:02 am

Thx.
Anyone, for the exercise, if you were considering buying this craft.

Specifics: Mt Hood OR
N5972X Accident 5/13/1992
+ If I am reading it right, the CFI had 145 hrs total time in rotorcraft but just 2 in a B2B.
+ No injuries to CFI or student
+ Craft damage cited as substantial but no specifics given
+FAA report - Student pilot initiated a right pedal turn while in the hover, but was unable to stop the rotation, when the CFI took over, he also found he was unable to stop the rotation with full pedal deflection, he therefore elected to attempt an autorotation landing, but during the attempt the aircraft rolled over and impacted the ground. Probable cause, delayed remedial action and lack of experience in type of aircraft, etc.

Ad says garaged for 10 yrs.

? Isn’t there a risk post accident the owner was not able to get ship back to good running status?
? How hard it is to determine if damage was done in the accident which might not be observable but created significant mechanical risk that may haunt one day?
? 10 yrs, would seals et al, be dried out? Fuel system varnished?

Thanks for any insights or what you would do if looking at this craft.
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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby fixnfly » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:16 am

SCRAPPER, I'LL GO LOOK IT OVER & HAUL IT FOR YOU. BILL
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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby N2285U » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:49 am

10 years would make me think the cylinders and cams are rusted, fuel system varnished and seals bad, landing gear struts possibly gummed up, clutch sticky from non-use, etc. The bearings in the blades are probably also bad. I would want to buy one running and flown somewhat often. You could buy this machine for $20k and still end up with more in it than a good machine (plus a lot of time.)

Now, if it is in current annual and they will give you a nice demo flight that is a different story; otherwise, just figure you are buying parts.
If your wings aren't turning, they are broken and you had better get them fixed....
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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby scrapper » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:18 pm

Bill , HA , You sound like a Brantly mechanic licking his chops at another sucker
about to become infected witrh Brantly disease and will need $100k in work!.

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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby fixnfly » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:28 am

SCRAPPER, YOU MUST HAVE HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH A MECHANIC AT ONE TIME. YOU ASKED IF ANYONE WAS UP TO TAKING A ROAD TRIP. I OFFERED TO LOOK AT IT FOR YOU TO GIVE AN EVALUATION OF WHAT ITS WORTH AND HAUL IT BACK, THAT'S ALL
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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby scrapper » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:32 pm

apologies,, poor internet communication. I was completely joking with you! ' I appreciate your offer totally.
I have sent tjhe owner a letter asking for logs, other history and will share what comes back. hev been warned

there may be a scammed out in OR tryng to hawk a crfat with lien/title issues.

I bow down to all Branty mechanics, we need each and everyoine one.
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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby bryancobb » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:47 am

Scrapp,

I'm gonna start another thread on your "TITLE ISSUES" comment.

There are some things you need to know in general about how aircraft titles work and what I went through with mine.

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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby bryancobb » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:26 am

I just typed for 30 minutes and it disappeared. I guess I'll do it later in WORD and paste it here. Sorry.
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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby seneca2e » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:07 pm

Scrap while apparent you really don't know much about Brantly's or Aviation in general(FAA= Federal Aviation Association not FFA=Future Farmers of America lol) nevertheless I still am glad for your postings to stimulate the board. We all started at the beginning and seeing some discussion on the board is good!

Bryan is one of the most knowledgeable posters on here and I always look forward to what he has to say as I do all the others on here!
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Re: B2B in Oregon 4 sale, gagared for 10 yrs, risks?

Postby scrapper » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:47 am

I look forward to Bryan’s insights regarding title issues. I am aware liens can be filed with the FAA, but don’t have to be, title search sounds like a necessity? Like any field I am sure there are gangsters. I will start proofing my posts, sorry there.
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